Weekly Gentleman’s Debate
By Marc on Jun 28, 2008 in Uncategorized
First off, I want to let the ladies know the post title isn’t meant to be sexest. I just couldn’t find a better word to describe the concept. I’ve been noticing the high quality of comments made when people are arguing who is better. All of a sudden multiple links out to articles and a great deal of knowledge being shared that didn’t previously exist.
These links serve as invitation to other bloggers. Please invite your blogging friends to join.
Courtney Tuttle
45n5
bloggerunleashed
Caroline Middlebrook
Garry Conn
John Cow
The Net Fool
Ades Blog
Tyler Cruz
blogtrepreneur
The University Kid
Cash Quests
siteflipu
Cash Tactics
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28 Comment(s)
By Piss Biscuit on Jun 28, 2008 | Reply
Umm… okay! Now that you’ve pulled my arm, I guess I’m in. How does this start? Should I call someone stupid? :-p
Let me know what’s next… I’m always happy to argue!
By Marc on Jun 28, 2008 | Reply
1) Take your article and submit it to different social bookmarking sites using bookmarking demon. Submit using the keyword to want to rank well for as the anchor text.
2) Use article submission software to submit the article (or post) to all of the article directories. I’ve read that they let you have 2-3 anchor text links per article. So assuming 2 links per article, put one link to the main page using the anchor text “spyware removal” (the main keyword your targeting) because it’s searched 453 times per day. Then use your second link to develop a less used, easier to rank well for keyword. Use the anchor text “spyware removal tips” (one of the longtail keywords you’ve been targeting) because it’s searched 11 times per day. This way you’re getting links to the pages that do not have as many searches (or competition) as well as developing keyword authority to your main keyword. Obtaining keyword authority for your main keyword (spyware removal) will help all of your long tail keywords that contain the main keyword (spyware removal tips)
One question, can it be the same article posted on your blog or does it have to be original article to submit to BMD and the article directories?
This is my current plan of action for developing links to my content sites and I realize I may be wrong. Please leave tips or pointers, I won’t be offended.
What other tools do you all use and why.
By mary on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
Good concept Marc and I totally agree with you about how debate generates knowledge. Well, if Bryan keeps reading bloggerunleashed and courtney tuttle etc…I wont be able to argue with him because he’ll be right too!
Puss Biscuit…you just sit there on the side and try to be witty OK? Let people who know how to make money online talk about making money online.
For the record guys I know you CAN make money blogging doing it the so called A-lister way, it just isn’t likely. There can’t be all chiefs and no indians.
The A-lister model is a viable option for sure and some people make CRAZY money that way. But it is no good for %99 of the noobs out there. It is too involved and it takes too long.
If you are looking to quit your job and make money online then I don’t think the A-lister way is the way to go. There’s too much ‘luck’ involved. Especially considering the easier, simpler and faster model in niche blogging.
There are too many posers in the A-list niche and they are busy ‘faking it til they make it’. In the process they are perpetuating bad information. What happens? The even newer and more clueless noobs get hurt in the process.
Ethically? The A-lister model is easily and regularly abused. Think about it. You earn peoples trust just to sell them some shit ebook or whatever. I don’t like the idea of building up trust to make sales. It is conniving and deceitful in its essence. Not everyone abuses this relationship with their readers but, you know how the world is.
The idea of being another friggen jerk ‘internet marketing guy’ in someones mailbox sounds a little spammy to me. Then, these ’smiling faces’ –(beware of smiling faces) push all this lousy advice on their noob readers like its the word of God. The whole thing is slimy.
Niche blogging however is more like straight up marketing. Your targeted visitor is not someone just browsing and perhaps falling into your trap. With niche blogging your targeted visitors are people who don’t want to be your friends. They don’t want to read your blog. They have a mission and a credit card in hand.
It is YOUR job as a marketer to put that product in front of the people who are looking to buy it. It is cleaner and there’s no bologna. It is a real job. Business. It’s marketing, but it’s just online. It’s more of a race than anything else. It is for competitive people.
It’s way better for noobs because you focus on just a few things: writing content for Google and getting backlinks. The return is quicker and you learn more, more quickly by getting to the heart of the matter and learning how search engines think.
Marc, to me you are the victim (I know you hate when people say this but…) of the kind of trappings I mentioned above, and this whole $10,000 blog thing just, in my mind, is a textbook example of the bad side of A-lister type blogging.
Beware of smiling faces.
Guest post by Mary Money…hey, I kinda like that.
By mary on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
Marc, to answer your question you don’t need an article to use bookmarking demon. You just post your urls and that’s it.
Just start by going through some of your deep pages here. Get the url and enter it into BMD. Then submit when you have all the urls you want. No artices or posts needed. You could bookmark a picture and no content. Anything. Just hide your links.
Dont use articles that you submit to article directories on your site. You may have a few pages in the supplementals if you do that.
By mary on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
Here is an interesting series on the niche blogging process. I was out doing comment runs and came across it. It is actually quite good. A ten part series and it gets into a really turbo charged method for building links. I bet there are two writers for this blog because some of the articles are totally A-lister and some are definitely not.
The link is in my name above.
By Piss Biscuit on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
@ Mary: Hmmm… after you ruined my day at the beach the other day, I remember calling you out for a Make Money Challenge. Since you were the pro and all, I figured it would be an ass kicking I was just going to have to take. However, like a figured you would do, you backed out like the money making wanna be pansy that you are.
Oh, don’t you worry about a thing Mary… I’m sitting here with your little lamb and we’re both laughing at you from the sidelines, but it’s not because you think you’re making money. Giggle. Giggle.
Now just so that you dont go throwing more chicken bones in the sand… let me say that I have one website, that sells one product(E-book)… I’d venture to say that my one, itty bitty, website makes more in a week than your blogspot blogs can collectively produce in six months form adsense clicks or whatever other cheese ball method of earning pennies a day you’ve chosen to use.
As for you guest post… you know the rule of thumb, and a common courtesy is to write unique interesting content not found anywhere else. Learn so new material… it’s really getting old, and frankly everything you’ve said is old hat. I think your trying to drag people (anyone and everyone) through the mud for a little attention.
Is it earning you clicks? Is it adding to the growing piles of pennies? I hope that you realize, you are a sad sad example of a business person if your tactics are no different than those of the tabloids. You’re busy being a tabloid, while everyone else has something useful to say. Quit spreading shit talk and step up or step out.
Show me and EVERYONE else that YOU are the “EXEMCPERT” YOU SAY YOU ARE! Smile Mary, it won’t sting for long
By Jason on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
Interesting idea for a post - one thing I’d suggest is that you a) email bloggers, as the ping in WP’s dashboard can take up to a week to appear (I only saw this one about two minutes ago) and b) write the question itself in the post as not everyone is going to watch the video.
If you want to build dofollow backlinks to a fresh website, you can’t beat dofollow blogs. I’ve had hundreds of links built for me at $0.1 each (as I outsource them) but you can easily do the work yourself and get powerful links with your anchor text. Also look at hiring someone on the various forums to submit to social bookmarking websites with your preferred anchor text - the guy I use charges $2 for 65 submissions which can’t be beat. They will not send traffic but help you getting indexed pretty quick.
As for the Wordpress theme, I use an optimized one I had created for me, but Prosense works well if you want to create Adsense optimized websites. Never done pure HTML sites, WP is far easier for the technical newb and I’m that.
By the way, I run a blogging forum - feel free to join up, we’d love to have you around. Plenty of good advice there too.
By mary on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
Piss Bitch…
I found your comment to be highly enlightening! It really added to the discussion Marc so intelligently proposed.
Talk about bloggers coming together to share intellectual ideas for the benefit of all. I underestimated you and your vast knowledge about making money online which became so obvious in your valuable comment.
A make money online contest with you? Not after that comment. It is obvious now that you are the TRUE bearer of wisdom in the blogosphere.
By Piss Biscuit on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
@ Mary: You’re chicken. C’mon - teach me and the rest of the fans of OMG a lesson or two… trust me… I need the practice. I’ve got a pretty big competition coming up and I need all the tricks I can get my hands on
By Bryan Clark on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply
*microwaves the popcorn*
By Jim on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
Thanks for the link Marc, I’ll try and record a video for this. I’m all for debating… as I’ve done speech and debate before. Ready to argue, should I be email you a video or what? Really not a lot of guidelines out there, haha. Shoot me an email back at jim@thenetfool.com and let me know what you would like from me to “join the debate”
By Piss Biscuit on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
@ Mary: Okay well it’s obvious that you’re not willing to teach me a lesson or three… that said… I guess I’m gonna have to learn on my own.
and here I thought you were a team player. That’s what I get for thinking.
@ Bryan: I’ll bring the beer
@ Marc: I’ve tried to put together a meaningful comment, and it turned into a bloody mini series. Maybe good for a “real” guest post. Let me know if you want it, and I’ll send it over for your review… after all, I DO want to actually offer the community something…
By Germz on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
Seems like an informational post. I hope it helps a lot of people.
By Marc on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
@Piss Biscuit - you got me again with the beach reference
@Everyone - I feel like I’m in a classroom, since I feel that way EVERYONE SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. Oh shit, now I’m getting all verklempt, talk amounst yourselves, I’ll give you a topic, building links to mini sites (content sites, niche blogs, new blogs, affiliate sites)
So far I’ve purposed BMD for submission to social bookmarking sites as well as a article submission software to run some articles in an attempt to gain relavent links.
What do you all think?????
By Bryan Clark on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
Until Edwin releases the next version of BMD, it’s become all but useless for the time being. The only real value is listing to worthless (mostly) scuttle sites that die off really quickly. I think for the time being, you’re better of doing manual submissions, although Edwin says the update is coming soon.
By Marc on Jun 30, 2008 | Reply
By BGW on Jul 1, 2008 | Reply
I think the value of social bookmarking (for SEO link value) is going down and will continue to be discounted as more people promote the usage of programs like BMD. So many people are using BMD and openly talking about it. How long until Google wants to slap people around for admitting to social site link spam?
You see them slapping people for admitting to fake link bait.
BMD is nice software, but I’m waiting on the update. Its not nearly as useful for me these days.
I think the key with BMD is hiding your footprint. I don’t think Google wants to discount social links, because its another measure of quality. I think you’ll find the most long term success from BMD by making serious effort to mask your footprint.
For article submissions. You want to submit content that’s different from content you use on sites (no duplicate content) and drop 2 to 3 keyword anchor links. The anchor text varies, depending on what you’re working. Early on you’ll work your main keywords and your index. Later on you might do article submissions that don’t work your index at all. You keyword anchor posts on your site you want to rank.
I also use directory and article submission software to semi-automate the process. Fast Blog Finder for dofollow comments are great. Other than that, I use creative Google searches to find links.
I also suggest investigating your competition’s links and trying to get any free links they have.
Personally, I’ve had the most success with adult themed sites. I use Wordpress blogs to promote adult affiliates, which pay our $10 to $30 per sign up (reoccurring). I do niche stores, MFA, and all that too, but I make good money promoting adult affiliates. There are methods like toplists, exchanges, and TGP which work well for adult site promotion, but don’t apply to other types of sites.
By Dubai Travel Guide on Jul 2, 2008 | Reply
I guess article sites are the best way for backlinks
By Marc on Jul 2, 2008 | Reply
But now now take advantage before its over. For some reason I’m not concerned about the google slap, I’m not pushing the limits. I taking it easy and hiding my links.
@BTG - Seems that is one of the top ways.
By Scott Gostyla on Jul 2, 2008 | Reply
Great discussion, can’t wait until some of the big boys get in here.
By theaffiliatepost on Jul 3, 2008 | Reply
Big Boy Reporting for duty!
By Marc on Jul 3, 2008 | Reply
By The Big Bad Fluffer on Jul 3, 2008 | Reply
To whom it may concern… Big & Bad are here.
@ Mary: Sounds like you backed down… why? Rumor has it that Piss Biscuit bet Vic from Blogger unleashed 20 grand and his blog. Vic chickened out too! LOL.
What’s with all the weenies?
By Odd Lot on Jul 4, 2008 | Reply
This sounds like an interesting argument… ahem, I mean discussion. Great post, I hope it develops. My first site was a better topic that was easier to develop. It’s been beastly trying to get relevant links in my new niche.
By theaffiliatepost on Jul 10, 2008 | Reply
@ Marc: Hey man. I finally got my internet restrictions lifted from my workplace (you are now officially for work purposes) and I can see your vids without having to wait till I get home.
First and foremost, I get one way links for a lot of my sites by commenting. Despite not having been around here to drop some recently. I know what you are all thinking, what a timesink right? Well, it can be…but here is a clue. I recommend you look for blogs that are very rarely commented on. Find a blog with recent comments plugin, regular updates and not many comments. If you think I am mad then check this….there are god knows how many new blogs a day so the opportunities are endless. I already have a stock list of blogs that fit my criteria (some of which have really good PR - maybe I might post it on AP sometime) and only need to comment once every 3-4 weeks. In doing that I stay on the recent comment section and pick up a link for every post that they write. so one comment a month = 20 or so links, with little effort. Times that by the 40+ blogs that I do this with and for a couple of hours work a month I can pick up roughly 800 links which, if they are anchored text links in a clever keyworded niche is enough to get you earning!
I agree with some of the BMD comments here. I do use it and think its a great tool to have…but use it wisely!!!
@ PB: Chicken bones on the beach…LMAO
By Buy Hand Dyed Yarns on Jul 10, 2008 | Reply
looks like informational post .thanks for it
By theaffiliatepost on Jul 10, 2008 | Reply
Just came back to re read what I wrote as something was bugging me……for recent comments please also read TOP COMMENTATORS!
By Marc on Jul 10, 2008 | Reply